LOTI 049 : Deckbuilding Concepts

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Deckbuilding

Intro:

Welcome to the Legend of the Innkeeper.  I’m Vastidious, I’m Ariannwyn and I’m Espo.  We’re glad you could join us for our 49th episode.

This week we are talking about…

Updates:

What did you do this week?

Espo was asked by Viscious Sydicate to cast the “Show Match” with @Dusty_Dog_96

Claudia/Mantastic played against Kevin Kookie

Top 3 of the week – Deckbuilding mistakes (Maybe later in the show?)

  1. Playing advanced level decks when you are a beginner.

News

1. New Hero Skins – Magni Bronzebeard shown

http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/911-new-heroes-are-coming-magni-bronzebeard-confirmed

Thread with Q&A about the new skins: http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/forum/topic/17999419813

2. Rumor is that the Hero skins were not the ‘big thing’ coming in this next patch

http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/912-ben-brode-on-deck-slots-more-than-just-new-heroes

Getting Better

Terms around Deck Building:

NetDecking – Searching the internet and picking a deck someone else built online. Using it as is or using it to then tweak to make it your own.

META – What is happening in the current ladder.

Tech Cards – Cards that are a direct response to what is happening in the META or against specific decks. (BGH, The Black Knight, Harrison Jones, Hungry Crab and Ironbeak Owl are Tech Cards)

Vic Weidman (Mertz)

May 28 at 7:40pm

I have an important question. (at least for me) I have played decks that are great decks and win, but not always. I tweak my decks constantly and by the end of the second or third day, sometimes I have a whole new deck which was not the plan at the beginning. My question is, when and how do you know when to change out cards in a new deck? I have played decks that I win 10 in a row then get bad draw and lose 10, but are solid decks, you know what I mean? How many times does a deck need to lose before you decide it’s not good, and is it the whole deck or just a few cards?

I don’t like to just net-deck all the time, I like to learn how to make good decks myself, that’s fun for me.

Today:

Vic Weidman (Mertz)

You know this was my question several weeks ago and what I came to as an answer was to learn to play by playing decks that were proven good decks, but when you want to create your own deck, keep “fun” as the focus and build your deck. Change out cards as necessary based on your win/loss ratio. I keep track of what decks I have beat what decks I play on the ladder. This info is invaluable for me to help me understand am I having bad draw, do I have a deck with the wrong mix of cards, where am I lacking (don’t have enough removal, minions, spells, etc), or do I need to take a different approach all together to improve my win ratio.

Unless you are trying to be competetive and climb to the top of the ladder (someplace I’ll probably never be) fun is the key here. If you enjoy a game you will keep playing, if you’re not having fun, it probably will cause a dis-interest and you will move to another that will give you the fun you didn’t find in your last game.

Matt Buttle (iButtle) I’ve struggled to figure this out to, so I started taking good net decks and then start to make edits. It would ask myself “why are these cards in here?” “What combos exist?” “Where am I losing with this deck and what card effects would help it.” Example, I have taken a pretty standard Ramp Druid deck, but kept coming up against Mage and spells. So, I dropped Big Game Hunter for Kezan Mystic and started winning.

Robert Adams III (ShinyRob) When net-decking, you might have the best cards, but you won’t always realize the uses and interactions of each card. I prefer to start with a net build and add pieces of my own for fun or scenarios that I run into.

However, for some people, like Espo, building decks IS the fun. As for me, my brain isn’t wired that way. I don’t have much success with my own brews.

Deck Building

A few guidelines:

Typically a deck idea comes in the form of “wouldn’t it be cool to have a deck built around this card or this idea!”. It’s a great way to start the deck building process. However, when doing this, it’s a lot easier to build a deck around a card that works already on it’s own. Good examples of this in recent decks would be Grim Patron and Flamewaker. They can stand on their own but with a few extra cards can be crazy good. But cards like Inner Fire, really require use elsewhere to be useful.

  1. Pick Primary Card and 10-15 Supporting cards

The first step then is to find a card that you want to focus your build on. Then pick 10-15 cards that work particularly well together. A good example of this is a Void Demon deck. The primary card being the Void Terror and Void Caller. The cards you would want to surround this would be ‘demons’ that are big and powerful. And cards that can enhance those cards, like Power Overwhelming.

  1. Add Staple cards that work with the style

At this point you should have a good feel for the idea and playstyle of your deck. Don’t be greedy at this point and add some staple cards that work well with that playstyle. Don’t try and be too creative. Go with what works. Keep in mind the mana curve because this is the point where you need to fill in the gaps. Sticking with the Demon deck example, you would add cards like Darkbomb, Hellfire, Sludge Belcher and Dr. Boom.

  1. Add some Tech cards

Now is time to add cards that work with the build but are considered to be anti-meta. In our deck good examples would be, Imp-losion, Big Game Hunter and the Defender of Argus. But in many cases, you only need one of these cards (depending on the card and deck)

  1. Playtest is important

Next you should have a pretty complete deck at this point. It’s time to play test the deck in Casual mode. Two reasons for doing this in casual.

  1. Getting used to how it plays
  2. Identifying problems

You want to play a few games with the deck to give it time to ‘express itself’. But if something really is obviously bad, replace it. Don’t be stubborn.

http://hearthstoneplayers.com/category/deck-building-guides/

http://hearthstoneplayers.com/build-synergistic-decks/

http://hearthstoneplayers.com/metagaming-demystified-adapt-ladder-meta-part-one/

http://hearthstoneplayers.com/fundamentals-deck-building/

http://hearthstoneplayers.com/build-innovative-decks-step-step-guide/

 

Tournaments

ESL Season 2 Finals

Reviews and Emails

iTunes Reviews:

Delivers on fun promise – GeoHueb

Hearthstone is a fun game that I sometimes forget about after a few loses or some time grinding on the ladder. This podcast reminds me how fun it is to play. The hosts are great and for having a father daughter team they sure do get along. The show is geared for casual players and they even brought a third very casual player, Espo, as a cohost. He is very new and needs lots of instruction. Kappa. Keep it up!

Emails:

Funny unexpected moment in my Arena run – Dimitriy

Hi LOTI crew, I love your show and wanted to share something that happened in my Arena run the other night, and this just made my day. I was facing off with a mage and we had a pretty even matchup up until the end of the match where his tempo out lasted mine. He had has an answer to pretty much everything I threw at him, flamestrike, Blizzard, by the end of the match he has lethal on me. I decided NOT to concede as I actually wanted to give him the pleasure of finishing me off as it’s a courtesy thing. What happened next absolutely shocked me and probably destroyed his day. I was at a very low life total and it was his turn. He had lethal on the board and he knew this. We each said “Well played” but instead of hitting me in the face for the win he got cocky and showed off his last few cards. He had about 3-4 cards in his hand, random spells that he cast out to show off how much tempo he had left. In a shocking twist, he casts “Cone of Cold” on purpose on one of HIS creatures, NOT realizing that it will freeze adjacent minions and thus freezing the minion that he needed to finish me off. I was completely shocked as he starting emoting “That was a mistake”…as he passed his turn, on my turn Ironically I had lethal myself. He was at 6 Health points and I had a Boulderfist Ogre in play. You can’t make this stuff up, I had the biggest smile on my face as I went for his face, claiming victory. I feel so bad for him but there is a lesson to be learned! Take the win and don’t be cocky! By the way, he was clearly an experienced player as he did great in the match up until his Cone of Cold play! Hope you enjoy my little story, it made my day!  –Dimitriy

Twitter: John Horstmann ‏@kickedtripod  Jun 3

Thanks to @XcMtbGamer and @AriannwynHS every time @LotiPodcast says KT (Kel’thuzad) I think they’re talking about me. =(

Facebook Shoutout: Greg Palmer

Figure this might get some discussion going: What was everybody’s first card they crafted? Not legendary, just their first card.

Looking back mine shows how far I’ve come and it is funny.

My First card i crafted: 2 Lightwells.

When I first started I was drawn to Priest and went to the crafting screen and saw the OP card that is Lightwell. My whole strategy was to drop big bodies and keep healing them.

This was surprisingly effective on my climb to Rank 20. Most people didn’t know what to do when I played them.

with over 20 comments that included Uleash the hounds, mana tide totem, Questing Adventurer, and Knife Juggler to name a few

Outro

That does it for this episode.  You can email the show at [email protected]  You can also visit our website at legendoftheinnkeeper.com where we will post the show notes with the episode that has links to all the information we discussed.

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Until next show, Happy gaming!

Credits:

Music by James Marantettehttps://soundcloud.com/james-marantette

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Vastidious is a long time gamer, father to Ariannwyn and doesn’t read the text on the cards.

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